So Christian,
we've been participating now in the
Nordic EV Summit for the second day now.
First day impressions,
we're speaking to a lot of CPOs out there.
What's been the subject of discussion?
I think there's obviously a lot of CPMS
systems around here setting the scene.
But from all the CPOs that I've been speaking with,
the concern about energy management is very much alive and well.
I had a very interesting talk with a CPO
that is market leading here in Norway.
And it's interesting to hear that even though they are in what
you might think of as the most advanced EV economy in the world,
they're still facing problems where they don't have enough grid.
It's not a problem of having enough power.
They have tons of hydro.
But actually getting a charge point set up in the
middle of nowhere is still something that's...
Yeah,
getting the power to that charge point,
it's still a big challenge for them.
And that speaks,
are they then beginning the journey of adding co-located batteries?
Yes.
So that is exactly what they're looking at.
They're always evaluating,
is it worth the cost of investing in
the grid or putting up a transformer?
Or is the battery the option?
And as you know,
the batteries are coming down in price.
And he told me that it's becoming more and more approach.
Yeah.
And then it also accelerates the
participation and flexibility as well,
right?
Yes.
And this was also an interesting point because he
said that obviously flexibility is something that
you need when you have a lot of intermittent energy.
Norway doesn't.
But he really emphasized that
even when there is a problem with the grid,
there is going to be,
with water power,
a 30-second lag.
When you turn on the...
For the water to come down the pipe and start turning the turbine,
you always have 30 seconds where you
need some sort of action in the grid.
And that's quite consistent.
And then also one thing I think is interesting
is the CPOs now focus to efficiencies,
making money,
actually become profitable as they expand their networks.
Peak shaving is on everybody's lips as well.
Yes.
Amazing what we can do to strengthen the
business cases at the locations from that.
Probably also spoke about that.
Oh, yes.
Yes.
And I think Norway was one of the first markets
to really introduce the effect or the grid tariff.
And here it very much changes the business case,
the extent to which you can cut off the
peaks when you have a truck or a group of,
well,
the Porsche Taycans come by your charger.
And then it doesn't get used for the rest of the month.
Right.
That's not an ideal scenario for us.
And you avoid the big fees that you also see,
right?
So lots of exciting things here.
And well, we're off to speak to more.
And thank you,
Christian,
for joining us to have this chat and have a good day.
Thank you.